[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 4762: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3887)
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 4764: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3887)
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 4765: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3887)
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 4766: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3887)
Golden Throne - View topic - The future of the hobby online
View unanswered posts | View active topics It is currently Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:07 am



Reply to topic  [ 23 posts ] 
 The future of the hobby online 
Author Message
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:16 pm
Posts: 2001
Location: Wakefield
Post The future of the hobby online

_________________

-please pass on if you know anyone with a disability!
PYFM 2011: 91.5 points - year target 100 points


Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:53 am
Profile WWW
Master of the Guild of Players
User avatar

Joined: Sat Sep 03, 2005 9:01 pm
Posts: 16347
Location: chained to a keyboard.
Post 

_________________

5786 " Wettest. Drought. Ever."


Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:03 am
Profile
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:16 pm
Posts: 2001
Location: Wakefield
Post 

_________________

-please pass on if you know anyone with a disability!
PYFM 2011: 91.5 points - year target 100 points


Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:25 am
Profile WWW
The Locksmith
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:50 am
Posts: 7340
Location: Finger on the button of the MagiKannon
Post 
I've entered into the 'online recluse' stage of internet use that people tend to hit around 10-15yrs of being online (gross stereotyping I know, and based solely on my limited experience). The Throne is now my sole source of Forum/Community participation and information, beyond which I tend to just make a regular tour of the sites listed in the wargames section of my 'Favourites' list, which consists mainly of manufacturers and resellers (I'm such a curmudgeon, I've never really got the hang of, or made use of RSS feeds). My curiosity has recently been piqued by Youtube channels such as Beasts of War, but I don't really dabble in Podcasts. The main reason for this is actually rather silly; I've never owned an iPod, iPhone or similar, so never got caught up in the wave of euphoria which swept up webcasting and made it popular.

Generally speaking, I also intensely dislike so-called 'Megablogs' as (barr a few exceptions), they seem to distill the asshattery of larger forums (another personal dislike) into a potent, vitriolic idiocy the likes of which should be cleansed with atomic flame. By contrast however, and rather ironically, I do like using Facebook to keep abreast of other people's modelling and hobby-related projects and have decided this Summer holiday, to make more of a conscious effort to upload photos of current modelling projects myself (it's on my to-do list, before anyone bugs me :P ).

Good topic, will be interested to see what other people do...

_________________
Prof-Maj. 'Defence against the Dark Arts' for the GT Schola Progenium, Cmdr. of the Divine Pedagogue; Supreme Writer of Long Posts; Lord High-Regent of Fluff.


Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:40 am
Profile WWW
Master of the Guild of Players
User avatar

Joined: Sat Sep 03, 2005 9:01 pm
Posts: 16347
Location: chained to a keyboard.
Post 
..see how I keep up with the times. They should invent portable telephonic devices as well.
..oh,, :o

.. I think the visual thing is handy when trying to demonstrate new models or especially things like tactics, especially to do with things like deployment which is impossible to discuss with visual aids..many beermats have been ruined in this way, and crude battlefields sketched on wooden tabletops aided by salt, pepper and similar condiments.

_________________

5786 " Wettest. Drought. Ever."


Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:41 am
Profile
PYFM - FAILED! - by 72 Minis. Proper Baddie!
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jul 03, 2005 2:45 pm
Posts: 5036
Post 
I like blogs and forums thats about it, podcasts are a sap on time and vidcasts are a sap on download. Frankly a good blog or forum post with some nice pics and regularly updated will keep me coming back.

Personally I think its the evolution of a persons skills and projects in the hobby I am more interested in, than wanking on about army lists etc

_________________
PYFM -
Goal 1500
completed 139


Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:42 pm
Profile
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:53 pm
Posts: 4481
Post 
In all honesty, barring the Throne, I don't use any of the media Holdenstein listed, so I'm pretty much in the same boat as Marquis. The reason is, though, that I tend to lose interest quickly so even longer forum pposts tend to bore me before I get to the end, let alone blogs or megablogs. Again, like Marquis I've never oned an iAnything, so the podcast rush pretuy much missed me as well.

All in all, the Throne is my main supplier of all hobby-related matter, and I'm happy with this situation.


Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:41 pm
Profile
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:50 pm
Posts: 3
Post Re: The future of the hobby online
Vidcasts and Podcasts actually are two very different things and while they both target some of the same people they provide two unique experiences.

For example - Television CHANGED Radio... but didn't eliminate it.

We have often considered doing video but we stay away from it for a couple of reasons:

1. Our focus is people who listen while painting or commuting. You cannot really watch a vidcast while driving.

2. We don't do "Live" video shows either since we feel that unless we are going to show something that is WORTH looking at (ie: Examples of how you assault, or move, etc) then it isn't worth doing. Just watching the three of us and/or guest speaking in a room doesn't add much to our offering imho.

While there certainly are many podcasts out there - I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing. However, I agree with the poster earlier on that there are varying qualities of podcasts out there and at The Independent Characters we have focused on creating a show (every two weeks) with planned content that WE would want to listen to.

We make a point of trying to make the audio quality as good as possible.

We avoid doing things like news - since there is no point. We produce every two weeks and people get their news daily (and sometimes hourly!) from mega-sites like BoLs, and forums. Anything we would "break" would be dated by the time we released it.

We also avoid "Codex Overviews" since these tend to be people reading out of the Codex and/or book and debating what is and isn't a good unit. This doesn't really appeal to me as a listener.

What we DO focus on is making people feel included as a part of our group - as well as different ways of playing 40k to keep it fresh.

If you ARE listening to Podcasts (or even if you aren't) we would love it if you would at least give us a listen and see if our show interests you!

_________________
Carl Tuttle


Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:18 pm
Profile

Joined: Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:20 pm
Posts: 1331
Location: On my fat arse
Post Re: The future of the hobby online
GT and the GW website and perhaps some other really cool manfuacturers sites I am thinking seditionwars and perry-miniatures.

On the whole I find most of the pod and video casts annoying and embarrassing. Some fat guy and his mate with a nasally sad voice getting overexcited and getting their sweaty chip fat dripping fingers all over some model and telling me something pointless that I can clearly see from the product shots or the Eavy metal work.

Most of the content is speculation and bullshit made up from their sex starved, tentacle porn loving imagination and adds absolutely fuck-all to the hobby. I find it very much like watching either BBC News24 or SkyNews channels.

To boot speech is just too slow an information delivery method for my liking. I can digest many pages of text in a few minutes by skim reading and focusing on the pertinent paragraphs. Listening to a nob drone on for half an hour to fill his own ego to deliver 10 seconds of real information is annoying and a waste of my precious tentacle porn watching time.

I love starting Monday with a rant. Thanks for making this possible.

_________________
Tax and Spend has gone, now it's Fire and Save. Unless your a Doctor, Teacher or Nurse you had best start looking for a job.


Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:01 am
Profile
CAPTAIN KILLJOY
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:08 pm
Posts: 3412
Location: At my bloody desk more than likely
Post Re: The future of the hobby online
I think this really boils down to personal preference.

I can some times watch a video battle report, but it has to be well done, and I tend to prefer it when the players speak very little, and have most of the info typed up so I can pause it.

Additionally unless the scenery is pretty good, it tends to be a bit of a crap video. It just takes too much of the fun out of reading a battle report for me. They're all good though.

I would like to see things like e-books for codex's. I think it's all good and well saying things like "its a pen and paper hobby" but that's pretty much nonsense in this day and age, and I think they are doing themselves a disservice. People have been getting hold of illegal codex books for at least ten years, it isn't hard to abuse your work's photocopier.


Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:29 am
Profile

Joined: Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:20 pm
Posts: 1331
Location: On my fat arse
Post Re: The future of the hobby online
To illustrate my point, This is like watching fucking paint dry.

http://www.beastsofwar.com/3-colors-up/ ... ht-part-5/

_________________
Tax and Spend has gone, now it's Fire and Save. Unless your a Doctor, Teacher or Nurse you had best start looking for a job.


Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:04 pm
Profile
CAPTAIN KILLJOY
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:08 pm
Posts: 3412
Location: At my bloody desk more than likely
Post Re: The future of the hobby online
I agree, and I'm not trying to say the guy cant paint, cos I didn't last long enough in the video to see a close up, but he has the charisma of a brick.

Close ups with voice overs would have worked better there. But then we have to be honest with ourselves, not very many wargamers are mega charismatic!


Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:31 pm
Profile

Joined: Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:20 pm
Posts: 1331
Location: On my fat arse
Post Re: The future of the hobby online
Gareth's painting tips and photoshops etc are a million miles more useful that this dudes 45min paintathon and this is video 5 of 5.

Literally watching paint dry.

_________________
Tax and Spend has gone, now it's Fire and Save. Unless your a Doctor, Teacher or Nurse you had best start looking for a job.


Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:38 pm
Profile
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:16 pm
Posts: 2001
Location: Wakefield
Post Re: The future of the hobby online

_________________

-please pass on if you know anyone with a disability!
PYFM 2011: 91.5 points - year target 100 points


Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:48 pm
Profile WWW
CAPTAIN KILLJOY
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:08 pm
Posts: 3412
Location: At my bloody desk more than likely
Post Re: The future of the hobby online
On the concept of there "not that much going on in the hobby", that's what made writing scripts for Golden Throne really really difficult. Eventually you end up just having to come up with a random story line, and if you haven't had a game of 40k or whatever in ages then it can often become really difficult coming up with something.

I think Videoblogs or whatever could work, and I think it will take a really good video blog to come along and show how it should be done. Sadly it would either be done series by series, or on a monthly schedule. Because as we all know, quality takes time, especially quality editing!

EDIT: I'm not saying the blogs we have now are bad, just saying they could be a lot better.

And given how anti social a lot of people within our hobby are, I think a "cool" hobbyist would need some serious convincing to actually present the Videoblog.


Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:52 pm
Profile
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:16 pm
Posts: 2001
Location: Wakefield
Post Re: The future of the hobby online
Many podcasts have a "what have you done this week" bit. Unfortunately due to lack of interesting outside news they often end up a little like this...

_________________

-please pass on if you know anyone with a disability!
PYFM 2011: 91.5 points - year target 100 points


Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:40 pm
Profile WWW
Best Non-GW Model 2007
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:35 am
Posts: 3747
Location: FFS, if the game is good, and you like it, and you have the books and the army, you dont HAVE to pla
Post Re: The future of the hobby online
I hate pod-casts in their stupid American geek accents. Bad bad bad! SO hard to listen to. Like some nasal twerp with s really stupid accent going on about space marines and how amazing the latest offer is. Dont get me wrong, I dont mind Americans or their accents, or even geeks, or even hanging with american geeks. Its just when its a pod cast it gets my goat. Its like they have zero presentation value. At least hire somone with a nice to listen to voice to do the actually reading!

I like forums.

_________________
Apparently Im not allowed to set my own Signature
www.ramshacklegames.co.uk


Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:49 pm
Profile WWW
Hell, It's About Time
User avatar

Joined: Sat Oct 09, 2004 9:25 pm
Posts: 5432
Location: C:/>files/>General
Post Re: The future of the hobby online
Some kids at my local club said I sound like a TV presenter when I'm running through a game at full flow; should I look into being the cool nerd web celebrity?

_________________




PYFM 2014 SCORE: 51
Most recent project completed:


Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:42 pm
Profile WWW
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:01 pm
Posts: 5074
Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK
Post Re: The future of the hobby online
Like most people on here, I've grown jaded with the 'other forums' on the Net, Warseer is just too busy and big for my likings. The Throne provides all the forum fix that I need, and as others have said it is a 'family' community that we have here.

I've noticed that over the month or so I've stopped going onto Beasts of War, the only thing that temporally pulled me back were the Necron leaks.

Podcasts are new to me, still finding my way around them.

_________________
The objective of the game is to win. The point of the game is to have fun. The two should never be confused.


Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:56 am
Profile
Hell, It's About Time
User avatar

Joined: Sat Oct 09, 2004 9:25 pm
Posts: 5432
Location: C:/>files/>General
Post Re: The future of the hobby online
To join in this debate constructively, I only really use the 'Throne, the official GW blog and it's easily accessed network attachments like the flickr pool and facebook gallery; along with a few individual hobby blogs like .

I don't really have a care for podcasts or vidcasts - not for any particular bias or criticism against them, but I've just never been inspired to start absorbing them. The few youtube shorts and anaylises I've seen haven't thrilled me, mostly because the content is never anything particularly exciting for me - I'm not a tournament or competetive player so rules lawyering is a bit beyond me (I'm steadfastly in the "Roll a dice for it now, discuss it later" school, with the added caveat of "Stop playing if the guy's gonna be a pedantic dick about things") and I haven't seen any good painting videos that have suckered me in or enthralled me like the 'Eavy Metal Masterclasses have.

Maybe when/if I start gaming more and more seriously I'll take a look at any playing tips, but until then I'm just not swayed.

I think I'm pretty passive in that regard, but it helps that I've not only grown up with the 'Throne but can rely on it for news and feedback at a comfortable speed - Reds8n and others keep us well enough up-to-date and ahead on leaks and promotions, the basic community stuff is pleasant and small enough scale to make it cosy, I'd like to see more painting and hobbying in general but what there is is of an OK and interesting standard... I think my only complaint about the 'Throne is the lack of comics! :P

But then, I suppose I'm in a position to address that personally, if I wasn't so lazy... ;-)

_________________




PYFM 2014 SCORE: 51
Most recent project completed:


Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:59 am
Profile WWW
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:50 pm
Posts: 3
Post Re: The future of the hobby online
Quite a few generalizations here about Podcasts. I would just reiterate that our show seeks to actually break many of the stereotypes and molds that some of the above commentary has referenced.

For the record - I find the 3 Colors Up video quite dull as well. That is exactly the type of thing we try to avoid.

I strongly feel The Independent Characters has seperated itself from the crowd enough to garner quite a bit of community attention, support of various BL authors (Abnett, ADB, and an upcoming interview with Rob Sanders about Legion of The Damned), as well as Forge World support.

So while some of the posters here have had some bad experiences with some Podcasts, I would say again, give us a try and see if you find us different.

While I don't find all Podcasts to my liking, the other point I would add is that Podcasts are (typically) free! I won't begrudge anyone going out and providing free content for the community, or at least trying to do so. Putting together an audio Podcast (or God help you a Video one!) is a tremendous amount of work.

_________________
Carl Tuttle


Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:51 pm
Profile
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:16 pm
Posts: 2001
Location: Wakefield
Post Re: The future of the hobby online
Hey Leonard! Don't think I didn't notice you thieving our forum name for your . Your C&D is in the post. :-D

Podcasts are like any citizen journalism. Most is poor and there are a few gems out there. I'm having major problems populating my blog reading list with stuff that I would like to read, wading through blogs that I don't care for is difficult. I would direct people towards which features Gareth, once of this parish.

_________________

-please pass on if you know anyone with a disability!
PYFM 2011: 91.5 points - year target 100 points


Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:41 pm
Profile WWW
Best Non-GW Model 2007
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:35 am
Posts: 3747
Location: FFS, if the game is good, and you like it, and you have the books and the army, you dont HAVE to pla
Post Re: The future of the hobby online

_________________
Apparently Im not allowed to set my own Signature
www.ramshacklegames.co.uk


Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:26 pm
Profile WWW
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Reply to topic   [ 23 posts ] 

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group.
Designed by STSoftware for PTF.